Items for Heroes

Items for Heroes

Postby spheresword » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:55 pm

abaddon:
personally i like to start with RoB + tangos
from there get bracers and maybe bottle
then some combination of mek/vlads/pipe/sny/heart
if you need to carry get radiance at some point (not really recommended unless ur townballing)

otherwise you can get curiass/shivas/(heart)
not a very concrete build for abaddon really
when playing him shield/heal ur allies and slow people by attacking them
remember that ur shield gets rid of stuns and other buffs so its a good idea to use it on allies that have been hit by something gay like fiends grip
your goal is to tank/support
in higher level play he's used to babysit ranged heroes and wards a lot

Beastmaster
Treads, Necrobook,Vlads, AC

BristleBack
I actually don't mind vanguard on BB. I usually also get shivas rather than curiass.
boots/pipe/radi/(skadi//satanic)/shivas vanguard can be turned into smth else later

clockwork??
Tread /pipe/aghs/radiance/linkens

Davion. dragon Knight
I go 1 in stun, max breath and your passive, level your ulti as normal at 6, 11 and 16.
get Bracers, Tread boots, Manta Style, BKB, (skadi//satanic).

The idea with Manta on DK is to use it with his ultimate, but you cannot merely cast Dragon Form and then Manta Style. Doing this will create 2 images of Davion himself, not the dragons. You have to shift click to do it properly. Right click a little ways away, left click or press the hotkey (r) for Dragon Form, then hold shift and press Manta Style.
Cham likes Armlet. SnY isn't bad either.

Destroyer
Items:
- 1x tango 1x clarity potion 2x mantles 2x branches to start
- 3x nulls + boots
- Int Treads
- To Guinsoos
- BKB
- Orchid
- To Shiva's
You can also go Guinsoos, BKB, Orchid, Shiva's, Orchid

Earthshaker
nulls 1-2x boots bottle -> dagger
maybe Tread boots or bots
shivas/guinsoos
once u have a mana item u can go refresher
or heart
radiance if u need to carry
then I guess curiass

Enchantress
any combination of Tread boots/bots/mek/pipe/basilius/shivas/guinsoo/(heart)depending on what you're facing, if you're having trouble farming 3 nulls and boots will be sufficient for a bit

Enigma
RoB dagger bots bkb

Ezalor
vanguard travels -> mek/guinsoos

then u can get whatever like shivas/pipe/manta/deso/curiass/vlads/orchids/mjollnir/skadi
Gondar/jaood?
Treads/Phase Boots to Battlefury and other DPS/HP items. WD is like Bracers/boots/bottle to Aghs and BKB.


lich: i mean puttin aside basic starting items, you probably want to get boots/mek/phase/aghs/guinsoo , you wont really farm much with this hero doubt you'll finish all those items (i wouldnt in a serious game cuz there are other heroes who need to farm more)
mek is your basic team heal item which is good cuz with ritual u easily have the mana for it, and adds some hp to you. Phase for increased mobility +armor. aghs for hp/mana and better ultimate. and guinsoo for obvious reasons i should hope.

Lion: Might get aghs/guinsoo etc) is something along the lines of: magicwand>boots>bracer>treads>bracer>blink with a slot for tp. I might only have one bracer, if im constantly having to hold sents/obs/or dust in a slot. then from there, you probably replace a bracer with a pointbooster, and farm an aghs. or if you prefer get a euls for the same cheesy euls/blink combo.


Luna :
sixth item can be buriza but get curiass if your team doesn't have one already
order:
wraith bands 2-3x + boots
hotd
Tread boots, bkb, manta, satanic, bfly

potm/Mirana: 3x agi slippers/branc/salve > bottle>boots>3 wriaths> boots of travel then get your main item diffusal or mjolliner or manta whatever u think is useful.


Meepo
vlads mek dagger treads
mb curiass or bfly(skadi)

Morphling BoT to Manta Style and Skadi
or for morph go treads linkens manta bfly satanic skadi (not in order but start off w/ persv + treads at least)
or u can do the travels diffu manta build


necro
guinsoos/bots/blademail/euls

Nerubian Assassin
boots of speed
bottle
nulls optional
dagon
scroll of town portals
rest of gold into dagon upgrades
na kills heroes by doing burst damage and then running away/finding another target, so more burst damage is good. he only really has the one disable and doesnt do any dps through attacking and can be kinda fragile so you need to kill people quickly.

Pitlord-travels guinsoos

Phantom Lancer
diffu Tread radiance bfly AC
normally I get pers(vlads) + wraiths early and turn pers into bfury or linkens late game
manta is also viable
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Queen of Pain -
2x Gauntlets of Strength or Mantles of Intelligence
2x Branches
2x Tangos

Laning phase -
Finish making the Bracers or Nulls
Boots of Speed
Bottle
bot/Tread boots
Obs wards

In a real game it is quite likely that I would have to buy wards to control the runes and to gank. I like to start ganking once I have Boots of Speed which minimizes the amount of experience you are losing from leaving your lane. Some will agree with this, others will not. I also like to grab every rune that I can which keeps the ganks coming. A rune randomly spawns top or bottom every even minute. (2:00, 4:00, 6:00 etc)

Mid-late game -
Orchid Malevolence
Black King Bar
Guinsoos
Shiva's Guard
Eye of Skadi
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Razor
wraiths/phaseboots/vanguard/hood (not necessarily in that order, ill get regen from side shops if i need it early, otherwise i mite get straight phase with a roh if im not taking any dmg) then farm my radianceee.
BOTTLE VANGUARD BOTS RADIANCE

Rhasta:
guinsoos travels aghs refresher (skadi//satanic)
maybe dagger or shivas or smth


sandking: usually get 2bracers/Tread /blink/Heart/shivas, bracers add some hp/mana Tread needed for mobility gain. blink so you can cast epicentre and then blink into enemy + get a good burrowstrike (you want to hit 2-3 heroes with it) then (heart)for hp/tanking, and shivas for the aoe slow.
Silencer goes like 3x Nulls, Tread boots Guinsoos Shivas etc. Just need to mass intel.

Slardar Tread boots bracers bkb deso vlad curiass/(heart)/
you might want dagger


Sniper
get 3x agility slippers+branch+tango starting items.
then boots> 3 wraiths>Tread boots>lothars then either mkb or BFLY (ive played sniper like once in past few months so hard to see how a build would work) before getting a HOTD (lifesteal ftw) and then a satanic for hp.

Spiritbreaker
prob vg treads mom curiass
possib bkb/heart etc

StormSpirit
nulls + Int tread-> orchids -> bkb -> guinsoo/shivas now 6th item can be w/e always have a tp.

Templar Assasin
Treads, blink dagger, deso, bkb, ac?

Tinker
bots guinsoos shivas bkb 2x manta

Treant (Treads>radi/shivas/hood/curiass/refresher/dagger etc)

Undying
i get a ring of bascillus first+tangos, then farm bloodstone, getting boots (possibly Tread ) along the way. if there is a lot of nukers i'd get a hood (before finishing bloodstone) after that i usually get radiance then (skadi//satanic), or just straight (skadi//satanic)if you have someone on your team who does enough damage (carry hero).
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Warlock-bracers, wards, boots
guinsoos/bots/blademail/euls


Zeus
start with bottle/magicwand/few bracer or nulls then go for a euls guinsoo or aghs whichever takes ur preference. aghs usually isnt the best idea. euls/blink is a good combo to aim for, as u can self euls then blink away when euls wears off since u wont have taken any dmg during that time.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoRoN » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:23 am

never listen to deatheater

every hero is different and have different items needed

in GENERAL, nulls/bracers/wraiths are good on their respective attribute hero, but you still don't want to get 5 of them then treads

if you need help with any hero in particular, just ask. otherwise, just ask people in your game and use your head to consider what items would be good for your hero considering their attribute and skills.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby ChimeraOfWind » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:52 am

name a hero and I can spew out item builds

also deatheater is bad at dota
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoRoN » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:18 am

pretty sure item builds are also affected by the game you are in, not just your hero.

ie other heroes and how you are doing in that game

so use builds as a general outline rather than something you must follow rigidly
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoDz » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:57 am

i mean the best thing to do is become familiar with the various items available, and then you can start to figure out yourself what is good on heroes and what isnt. sometimes it isnt that obvious, ie: vlads on ursa so he mass lifesteals while attacking fast, but normal lifesteal doesnt work because of his passive. but usually you can figure out a decent build once you know the items.

and honestly, just get what items seem fun. thats what i usually do, i mean you're just playing dota for fun, so items which have 'lol' abilities like dagon are always fun, same with going mass damage or whatever. or refresher on various heroes.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby DeathMasta » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:33 pm

Don't listen/take DeathEater's advice. 5x Null/Wraiths/Bracers and treads is just a really bad idea. Like the others have said its really dependent on the hero you are playing as well as the game situation.

For example. If I'm playing Queen of Pain and the enemy team does not have many stuns or disables I'll go ahead and get 2-3 Nulls and take advantage of the extra intel. If I start to take a lot of aggro I can simply blink out. But if they do have multiple disables then you may need the extra strength that Bracers give to be able to tank a bit more damage. It might not sound like much of a difference but I can remember multiple times where I was able to survive with ~50 HP thanks to Bracers.

Getting Ultimate Orb (the +10 attribute item, 2100 gold) is way too expensive to get just for the stats. However it is a component of Guinsoos (hex) and Eye of Skadi (frost attack orb).

Typical item build that I would do on Queen of Pain -

Game start -
2x Gauntlets of Strength or Mantles of Intelligence
2x Branches
2x Tangos

It may also be necessary to buy obs wards or a courier which would change the starting items but this is just an example. Some people like to get healing salves and maybe some more branches.

Laning phase -
Finish making the Bracers or Nulls
Boots of Speed
Bottle
Power Treads
Obs wards

In a real game it is quite likely that I would have to buy wards to control the runes and to gank. I like to start ganking once I have Boots of Speed which minimizes the amount of experience you are losing from leaving your lane. Some will agree with this, others will not. I also like to grab every rune that I can which keeps the ganks coming. A rune randomly spawns top or bottom every even minute. (2:00, 4:00, 6:00 etc)

Mid-late game -
Orchid Malevolence
Black King Bar
Guinsoos
Shiva's Guard
Eye of Skadi

Its hard to say what items to get late game as it is going to be dependent on how well you are farming and the situation in the game. There are multiple "late-game" items you could get. With that said, Guinsoos will almost be a given. Hope this helps. There are many different factors that go into what items you should be getting and may vary from game to game.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby spheresword » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:14 pm

Is sange and uhhh, SNY any good for razor?

Also, is it ok to buy a jar to store fountain water and a courier?
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoRoN » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:30 pm

Couriers are extremely helpful to have. It allows you to ferry items over to your hero without leaving your lane, which prevents you from losing time and experience that would be used to walk back to base. Plus, it actually helps you stay alive because you buy stat items and more regeneration items if necessary. Bottle is a very good item, because it is reusable regen that heals more than tangos/clarities in terms of heal/sec. Storing runes is a very nice bonus as well.

I haven't really played the remade Razor as of yet, so I can't give build advice for him as of yet. My initial thoughts are that there are better items than sny, but I may be wrong.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoDz » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:38 pm

sny is definitely pretty good since it gives you nice movement speed to help chase ppl and attack while u cast your ulti. i think the new razor is one of the heroes at the moment where there is no "generally acceptable" build because ppl are stil experimenting a bit and the hero doesnt really make sense or fit into dota that well.

as for qop, dont listen to deathnoob and get treads, boots of travel best item.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby ChimeraOfWind » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:02 pm

BOTTLE VANGUARD BOTS RADIANCE on razor ez
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby spheresword » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:51 am

ChimeraOfWind wrote:BOTTLE VANGUARD BOTS RADIANCE on razor ez

Shasta sh hero
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No more than 6 items per hero, don't bother with early,mid,late game phases, I won't remember them. =\
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoRoN » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:19 pm

Rhasta:
boots of travel (phase boots if you farm poorly)
bracers/nulls optional
aghanim's scepter
refresher

NA:
boots of speed
bottle
nulls optional
dagon
scroll of town portals
rest of gold into dagon upgrades

NA doesn't really need to upgrade his boots for a long time. Boots of Speed should suffice for most/all of the game. Just carry around TP scrolls since you don't have boots of travel.
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby spheresword » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:42 am

Fuck, I can't play with de and friends anymore. It's like standing next to deathmasta on his worse pms day. Never seen the screen so covered with capslock. =\
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoDz » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:34 am

when will ppl realize that refresher on rhasta isnt that goooood ;o
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Re: Items for Heroes

Postby GoRoN » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:03 am

BUT ITS FUN
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